Things I don't like in a guild.

Hello folks, just want to get a feel for the tastes of others, and maybe some insight as to why you've chosen us over the "other" guilds.

Please keep in mind that we're all different personalities, and may not look for the same things specifically in a guild. So please, let's try to respect others' likes and dislikes and their right to have opinions different from yours and mine!

How odd! I chose all of the above ... lol go figure

Wierd I did "all of the above" also

I did most of the above... The one right before "All of the Above" sounds pretty spot on to me. The peeps behind the toons are what makes a guild a home.

I did "all of the above" as well - although I actually like a set of rules and almost unchecked the first box. Even adults need a set a rules, but it just depends on the extent. I do like a structure otherwise it would just be a free for all - but I am also laid back at the same time. That's where I am coming from.

i dont like rules and all that but i do like ranks. I like the time dependant ranks though, not the "oh i think your a sergeant now". The ones that are time dependant like you have played for a month, a year, two years are neat cus you can see ones depication to the guild. ONly think i dislike about rank sytems is when they have the initial one as D.A.N.G.(dumb ass new guy) or F.N.G. (F***ing New Guy) as this do not promote an easy an accepted feeeling when joining a guild/clan.

Vir Umbra wrote:...D.A.N.G.(dumb ass new guy) or F.N.G. (F***ing New Guy) as this do not promote an easy an accepted feeeling when joining a guild/clan.

Vir... just come out and say it... you're talking about me right!

lmao i only have a few weeks on you, and i was saying that i dont like it when they call them that. I prefer something that demonstrates the amount of time. Military ranks are my favorite like Ensign as the first one as it really isnt bad it just means new really. D.A.N.G. and F.N.G. are just a way to stop people from staying and it frustrates me to see people leave over the fact that someone else feels more powerful calling them that.

Edit: Look at our join dates ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

Yea... I know... I always like poking fun tho. Not sure about time component as to quality/leadership component. I think we are on the same page tho.

the only reason i say time is because its something that doesn't change.

Vir Umbra wrote:i dont like rules and all that but i do like ranks. I like the time dependant ranks though, not the "oh i think your a sergeant now". The ones that are time dependant like you have played for a month, a year, two years are neat cus you can see ones depication to the guild. ONly think i dislike about rank sytems is when they have the initial one as D.A.N.G.(dumb ass new guy) or F.N.G. (F***ing New Guy) as this do not promote an easy an accepted feeeling when joining a guild/clan.

I agree with this somewhat, but you could have a member that has been around for years but is just an average or mediocer player. People should raise in rank because they play a class well or show that they are a leader. That is just my opinion though.

My feeling is that a "guild" or "clan" or whatever should first and foremost be a casual social organization. Leave the "1337 gaming" and "powerraiding" to the kids. Sure, you may never be at the top of the list of "best guilds of XX game", but is that what gaming is about? For some, sure, and that's perfectly fine. Some people view gaming as a contact sport, and that's fine. But for me? I spend my daylight hours convincing corporations to spend millions (or billions) of dollars in ways I suggest; when I get off work I'm not looking to compete - I'm looking to unwind. To me, unwinding means playing a game at my speed, in the company of people I would be happy to share a beer with in real life. I don't need some knucklehead half my age screaming commands at me over a Vent server. And I don't need a guild leader telling me I need to be online at 2am my time because the guild wants to do some @%$#ing mission/quest.

My "agreement" with guilds is usually pretty simple. I'll promise to always represent the group in good fashion; conduct myself respectfully and within any rules set forth. I'll pay whatever dues (within reason) are asked of me, and I'll always keep an eye out for opportunities (be they items, in-game advantages, or new recruits) that I think will bring greater success to the group. In return, I expect that you'll respect that I'm a normal guy with a regular job and regular life. I won't be here 24/7, and you'll understand that I'm here for me, not for you. I'm a big fan of the "all for one, and one for all" concept, and you'll never find me shirking opportunities to back my posse up. But in return, I damn well expect that you'll treat me like a valued individual, not some friggin' cog in the machine.

So sayeth the Dao. (Who, for the record, is kinda drunk right now. Expense accounts rock!)

Dao Jones wrote: ...To me, unwinding means playing a game at my speed, in the company of people I would be happy to share a beer with in real life...

So sayeth the Dao. (Who, for the record, is kinda drunk right now. Expense accounts rock!)

I'm going to have to hook up with ya over a pint once I move down to Monterey in late July. Or, should you head down there, I hear there's all kinds of wine festivals with free wine tasting. Note: I don't like wine, but as it's free, I can overcome that small detail...

As to the rest of your post, I'd have said just about the same thing. I set up the Society I founded in PotBS such that the 'leaders' are folks who do things above and beyond logging in, play, logging out; they either coordinate lots of PvP action (PvP Coordinator) a Dueling Tournament (Tourney Coordinator), the Ventrilo Admin and the Web Admin. For doing those things, they get tagged with leader/agent (in-game) and various titles in the forums. As for commands, that is reserved for the group leaders, who can be any one of us, depending on who wanted the 'hat' that time.

Hect wrote:

Vir Umbra wrote:i dont like rules and all that but i do like ranks. I like the time dependant ranks though, not the "oh i think your a sergeant now". The ones that are time dependant like you have played for a month, a year, two years are neat cus you can see ones depication to the guild. ONly think i dislike about rank sytems is when they have the initial one as D.A.N.G.(dumb ass new guy) or F.N.G. (F***ing New Guy) as this do not promote an easy an accepted feeeling when joining a guild/clan.

I agree with this somewhat, but you could have a member that has been around for years but is just an average or mediocre player. People should raise in rank because they play a class well or show that they are a leader. That is just my opinion though.

I agree with Hect on that one. Getting a "title" is nice to show how much time you have with a guild or clan, but you shouldn't have any "leadership" (I'm using this loosely) rights unless you have proved your worthiness.

I ran a FFXI Linkshell (guild) that was primarily a social Linkshell. I was also an Officer in an Endgame Linkshell for about a year. It is a lot of work to be a leader in a linkshell/guild/clan. And personally if you don't have the skills, temperament, time (in the guild and to do your duties) to be in that position, then you shouldn't be.

But that's my 2 tin.