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    Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Lorahand on Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:59 pm

    Bullarky wrote:
    evilash wrote:i'm no tech expert, however when i was building my pc last christmas most people over at the [H]ardware forum advised against quad cores unless i just had money to blow as the difference was really only seen in high processor applications and not in gaming. My rig, which i linked to in my guild intro gets me around splendidly and i'll let you know during the beta how it holds up.

    although i think the jump from amd to intel at this particular junction will show you some interesting number increases just because amd is still playing catch up from their little ati merger, maby have a look at the e6750's or even higher now instead of the quads but thats up to you, i was also building sff and heat was a deciding factor for me as well.

    Evil, I would have been in the same frame of mind 6 months ago, however, the Q6600 has dropped nearly $300 in price since its release. Actually, overclockers are starting to find out how good a chip the Q6600 is. They have been running a stable OC at 3.6 GHz that is outperforming the 9650 extreme chip at stock. So lets compare $1000 for the extreme chip or $299 for the quad core and overclock it. The more and more I read about the Q6600 the more I'm impressed on what Intel has put into it. With its 9x multiplier, it is definitely a force to be reckoned with. However, as Dao pointed out, not much software is making use of the four cores. However, Microsoft Flight Sim and Crysis just released that their new updates will take advantage of 4 cores (actually MS stated 256 cores). There are other manufactures that are also looking at the quad as a way to increase application performance and are offloading some high end 3D rendering to a 3rd and 4th core.

    Lorahand wrote:
    I am looking to upgrade the processor and mobo to this

    Q6600
    EVGA SLI mobo I beileve 790i

    Should I make this upgrade and will I notice a big diff in AoC with that upgrade?

    Those are solid components. Not sure what your future holds, but the 790i might be a bit overkill. You won't be taking advantage of any of its unique features over a 780i board. However, if you are a constant upgrader (meaning you upgrade single parts here and there ever 6 months or so), it is a great board that should last you quite a while. If you go with a Q6600 and plan to overclock it, you will need to get a different CPU cooler. Stock ones won't work.


    What CPU cooler would you suggest along with which 780i board
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Bullarky on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:04 pm

    Lorahand wrote:What CPU cooler would you suggest along with which 780i board

    It really depends on your case... What case are you using right now? Is there a lot of room above the CPU? If possible, measure from the top of the CPU to the side of the case or overhead obstruction. There are some awesome coolers out there, but some take up an entire case.
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Fregarum on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:45 pm

    i would go with the Zalman 9700 if you can take a look at one and see if you can fit it in your case.
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Bullarky on Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:17 pm

    Fregarum wrote:i would go with the Zalman 9700 if you can take a look at one and see if you can fit it in your case.

    Awesome cooler, but holy shit is it big... From top to bottom it's 6" tall and almost as wide.

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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Probie on Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:06 am

    The Antec 900 is a kickass case. It looks good and with all the fans it keeps my stuff really cool. The only draw back is with my 8800 GTX, it goes all the way across and gives me very little clearance next to my Hard drives. I honestly mean you only have MAYBE 13 inches from the back of the case to the hard drive bays. Infact I had to take out the plastic guard over top of the one set of bays in order for my wires and GPU to fit.

    It really is a nice case, but it is hard to work in. If you have bigger hands, it will be cramped.

    Wish it was a full size case.
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Bullarky on Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:31 am

    Well... the cruel world of the computer gods are not looking favorably on my new build... Hit post code 25 and have to swap parts to figure out if its the video or the motherboard...

    Other than that, the case kicks ass! I had all fans turned on high and I could swear I saw it hover above my bench.

    As mentioned, the case is a little lacking in clearance for the video card. I had to use the bottom PCIe slot in order to connect the power to the card.

    Also, Tank... did you have two hard drives installed? If so, How did you get the plastic cover to snap on completely? I can get one set of connectors to lock, but the others are hitting the side of the second hard drive.
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Leoniden on Tue May 13, 2008 2:35 am

    I love my ZEROtherm Nirvana

    It outperforms the Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme. Also, you dont have to attach the fan, one reason I didn't go for Thermalright.

    Also the ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro is a big hit over at Newegg, but it doesn't look at cool as the Zalman or Nirvana imo.

    I also would recommend the Zalmans 92mm or 110mm too, you can get the 92 version if you dont think your case can handle the big ones. And you dont have to attach the fan on it either.
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Bullarky on Tue May 13, 2008 7:35 pm

    Well, I finally got my entire system built and running and I must say, the Q6600 has to be one of the most versatile under rated chips on the market.

    (I ended up giving the 6700 to a friend and buying me a 6600).

    End specs I have it running at 3.2 right now and plan on cranking it to 3.6 as soon as I break in the rest of the system.

    A few thoughts...

    The 900 case rocks. It's loud as hell on medium fan settings, but there was plenty of room and more than enough air movement in the case to satisfy almost anyone.

    The PSU was one of the best modular PSU's I've worked with and would recommend it to anyone.

    I ended up with an XFX 780i motherboard over the EVGA (the evga was proving too buggy for me). The only issue I have with this board is the placement of the SATA 1 and 2 connectors. Not a really big deal, but still kind of annoying.

    The OC'd 8800GT has been rock solid. The corsair 8500 dominator ram has been a speed demon as well.

    The Q6600 and the Zalman CNPS9700 rock. And I mean rock... I waffled on going duel core, but I'm so glad I ended up with the Q6600 at 3.2 its blowing away my expectations and with the air flow and current temps, I'm pretty sure 3.6 won't be a problem.

    I ended up loading Vista 64 Ultimate and have not had one issue, hic-up, or crash yet (knock on wood). Everything I've thrown at it has worked. I haven't found any issues getting 64 bit drivers either. I would highly recommend the switch now that service pack 1 has cleared up many of the issues that turned me off originally.
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Leoniden on Tue May 13, 2008 8:33 pm

    Sounds like your sytem will rock cheers
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by stratien on Thu May 22, 2008 11:25 am

    I might could use some help here. Last October I bought a Gateway Quad core, not the best sysytem but not bad. I dont play many games and was not planning on playing AOC but changed my mind after checking it out,. I was happy about buying a new puter when I decided to paly. Now I find that what I thought was a decent system aint that great.

    What I want to know is this. I WILL NOT buy a new puter like 6 months after buying one., Would I be beter off just running two graphics cards or just suffer through with what I got? Or if you got any other relatively inexpensive ideas I would be very appreciative.

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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by rhyzen on Sun May 25, 2008 1:10 pm

    Hi guys! I'm planning on building a new rig soon as well, my current Dell built machine just doesn't cut it. I've built in the past, I'm not really sure what compelled me to order from Dell this last time, but what a mistake that was. Back to building for me!

    Here's what I'm currently looking at....

    Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $119.99
    Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - $89.99
    GPU: MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - $184.99
    PSU: PC Power & Cooling S610EPS 610W Continuous @ 40C EPS12V Power Supply - $104.99
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - $194.99
    RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory -$144.99
    HD: Seagate Barracuda ES.2 ST3250310NS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $79.99
    DVD: Pioneer 20X DVDR DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-115DBK - $29.99
    OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD - $99.99

    Extras: Logitech UltraX Silver/Black USB Standard Media Keyboard - $18.99
    Logitech MX518 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB + PS/2 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse - $39.99
    APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Case Fan - $7.49
    OKGEAR 36" SATA II cable, UV Blue Model GC36AUBM - $2.49

    Total: $1118.87

    The idea behind this rig was to keep it below $1k, but I decided that I wanted to splurge a little here and there... I'm looking for a little bit of feedback. I've read everyone's discussion about the 900 case and I'm ready to deal with a little bit of loud fan noise for extra cooling.
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Bullarky on Sun May 25, 2008 4:21 pm

    stratien wrote:I might could use some help here. Last October I bought a Gateway Quad core, not the best sysytem but not bad. I dont play many games and was not planning on playing AOC but changed my mind after checking it out,. I was happy about buying a new puter when I decided to paly. Now I find that what I thought was a decent system aint that great.

    What I want to know is this. I WILL NOT buy a new puter like 6 months after buying one., Would I be beter off just running two graphics cards or just suffer through with what I got? Or if you got any other relatively inexpensive ideas I would be very appreciative.

    First, does your Gateway motherboard support SLI? Some motherboards only have one PCIe slot, so you might be stuck with the single card. Also, what's the graphics card that came with it? How much ram does the system have?

    At the worst, you can upgrade your card and ram for under $250, but depending on what you have, you might just be a victim of video drivers (which are free).
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    Re: Building a new system to blow AoC out of the water!

    Post by Bullarky on Sun May 25, 2008 4:31 pm

    rhyzen wrote:Hi guys! I'm planning on building a new rig soon as well, my current Dell built machine just doesn't cut it. I've built in the past, I'm not really sure what compelled me to order from Dell this last time, but what a mistake that was. Back to building for me!

    Here's what I'm currently looking at....

    Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $119.99
    Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - $89.99
    GPU: MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - $184.99
    PSU: PC Power & Cooling S610EPS 610W Continuous @ 40C EPS12V Power Supply - $104.99
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - $194.99
    RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory -$144.99
    HD: Seagate Barracuda ES.2 ST3250310NS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $79.99
    DVD: Pioneer 20X DVDR DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-115DBK - $29.99
    OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD - $99.99

    Extras: Logitech UltraX Silver/Black USB Standard Media Keyboard - $18.99
    Logitech MX518 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB + PS/2 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse - $39.99
    APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Case Fan - $7.49
    OKGEAR 36" SATA II cable, UV Blue Model GC36AUBM - $2.49

    Total: $1118.87

    The idea behind this rig was to keep it below $1k, but I decided that I wanted to splurge a little here and there... I'm looking for a little bit of feedback. I've read everyone's discussion about the 900 case and I'm ready to deal with a little bit of loud fan noise for extra cooling.

    Not bad components at all. I would make a few suggestions however. The PSU is one of the most import pieces of the build. Skimping in that department is not worth it. I would upgraded it to a Thermaltake/Antec or other solid PSU maker. The few extra bucks will be well worth it.

    Secondly, I can't stress this enough for people building PC's. You need two drives. One main drive running at least 10k RPM for your OS and main application. You will definitely reap the rewards. The second drive at 7200 RPM to hold all your other programs and files.

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